Since his student days at Teachers College, when he ran a series called 鈥淭he Conversation,鈥 Brennan DuBose (Ph.D. 鈥18) has been getting important people to talk to one another.

Now he鈥檚 connecting figures from history 鈥 sort of.

As reported in , DuBose, as part of , the podcast series he created and launched in 2020, recently hosted a first-ever conversation between Amanda Washington Lockett (M.A. 鈥15), a 麻豆原创 Education Policy graduate who is the great-great granddaughter of Booker T. Washington, and Arthur McFarlane III, the great-great grandson of W.E.B. DuBois.  [Listen to with Lockett and McFarlane.]

Brennan DuBose

CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION Alumnus Brennan DuBose (Ph.D. 鈥18) has a track record of bringing together interesting people. Now he's the founder and host of the podcast series Blackstage. (Photo courtesy of Brennan DuBose)

The two iconic Black leaders famously took different approaches to advancing the cause of Black people and did not get along. DuBois is recalled as a Pan-Africanist who believed that capitalism was a major cause of racism, while Washington is remembered for urging Blacks, in essence, to turn the other cheek in the face of prejudice and focus instead on economic advancement.

Being that this is Black History Month, it鈥檚 important to look back 鈥 but also look forward. We really have to remember that we are our ancestors鈥 wildest dreams.

鈥 Brennan DuBose (Ph.D. 鈥18), creator and host of the podcast series Blackstage

In the podcast, Lockett, who earned her Ph.D. at the University of Pennsylvania and has since written about historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs), asserts her pride in her ancestor. 鈥淗istory remembers him in a way that I feel does an injustice to him and to the nuances of what it means to be Black in America,鈥 she says.

WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE. Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois didn't see eye to eye, but their descendants, Amanda Washington Lockett (M.A. 鈥15) and Arthur McFarlane III, were united in focusing on the present moment. (Photos: 麻豆原创 Archives, Twitter)

Nevertheless, the conversation between Lockett and McFarlane is convivial and, for the most part, focused on the present era. Hearing the two of them 鈥渞eally leaning into what does it mean to work together as a collective, even if you have a different approach鈥 was 鈥渟uper powerful,鈥 DuBose says in the People article.

鈥淏eing that this is Black History Month, it鈥檚 important to look back 鈥 but also look forward. We really have to remember that we are our ancestors鈥 wildest dreams,鈥 adds DuBose, who earned his Ph.D. in English Education from Teachers College in 2018 and also holds a 麻豆原创 master鈥檚 degree in Communications & Education.

Blackstage also has announced a new , through which it is fundraising for Black-led organizations devoted to social justice and community change.

History remembers him in a way that I feel does an injustice to him and to the nuances of what it means to be Black in America.

鈥 麻豆原创 alumna Amanda Washington Lockett (M.A. 鈥15), speaking about her ancestor, Booker T. Washington, as part of the Blackstage podcast series

鈥淲e are looking to invest in Black-led organizations that don't necessarily get the public attention, but are doing impactful work across the United States in various sectors,鈥 says DuBose. 

DuBose leads social and community impact at , a global social innovation fund that discovers emerging social entrepreneurs and invests deeply in the growth of their ideas and leadership. He is also a research fellow at 麻豆原创鈥檚 .